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From: mcorbin@csn.org (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials!
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Don,
What proof do you have that anything is going on in Dulce? You know as well
as I do that there has been very little information coming in from there.
Allen Benz reported that he found nothing, and I have heard nothing more
on this from anyone. I thought this was a dead issue.
Mike
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From: skywalker@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
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Subject: Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials!
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>auto? Are these also (military) restricted areas (i.e., if you're
>found where you're not supposed to be, you are either escorted out
>or detained at gunpoint)?? What sort of 'dangerous' action is referred
>H.R. Holm
If you are caught on a Secret Military/goverment base you will know
when you are caught because you will feel the lead striking your body.
Most of these bases have shoot to kill warning signs on the fences.
I don't think they stop to ask questions, probabaly not even a halt
who goes there.
I for one believe they WILL shoot...
Tim
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From: carl@hamlet.caltech.edu (Lydick, Carl)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
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In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes...
> ParaNet has received information that Richard C. Hoagland,
>the noted author of The Monuments of Mars - a book detailing a
>possible surface anomaly on the planet,
Hoagland is noted mainly for being a zealot who's rediscovered the fact that if
you take enough random data, you'll be able to find a correlation with
something in it. I've been able to spot SEVERAL humanoid faces in the
acoustical tile on my ceiling.
>that NASA has covertly
>launched the Mars observer spacecraft to speed to Mars to find
>out what is going on up there. Below is a reprint of that
>article. Our members are encouraged to provide any information
>that would substantiate or disavow these claims.
Hmmm. Maybe somebody ought to tell those people just upstairs from me who are
working on the Mars Observer Camera about this? Boy will they be pissed that
their payload didn't get off the ground! Oh, and without the camera, what's
the Mars Observer going to observe with?
>Observers reported seeing Atlantis and its satellite deployment
>during mission STS-38. Some observers reported seeing both
>objects illuminated by a reddish glow, which has yet to be
>explained.
Perhaps sunlight filtered through (or reflected off of clouds)?
>On later orbits, the deployed satellite appeared to have vanished.
Unless the satellite was to remain in the shuttle's orbit, this is to be
expected.
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From: carl@iago.caltech.edu (Lydick, Carl)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
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In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
writes...
> ParaNet has received information that Richard C. Hoagland,
>the noted author of The Monuments of Mars - a book detailing a
>possible surface anomaly on the planet, that NASA has covertly
>launched the Mars observer spacecraft to speed to Mars to find
>out what is going on up there. Below is a reprint of that
>article. Our members are encouraged to provide any information
>that would substantiate or disavow these claims.
Thanks, Don. The folks upstairs working on the Mars Observer Camera got a
pretty good laugh out of this. Also, isn't this the SAME Richard C. Hoagland
who, as of about two years ago, was running around ranting that NASA was trying
to SUPPRESS investigation of the Cydonia formations? Hey, if you believe in
enough contradictory conspiracies, eventually you may even believe in one that
EXISTS!
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From: shafto@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Eric Shafto)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
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dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>
> [lots of blather deleted]
>
There's one born every minute...
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials!
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Date: 2 Jun 91 00:50:24 GMT
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In article <1991May31.072413.7379@csn.org> mcorbin@csn.org (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
>Don,
>
>What proof do you have that anything is going on in Dulce? You know as well
>as I do that there has been very little information coming in from there.
>
>Allen Benz reported that he found nothing, and I have heard nothing more
>on this from anyone. I thought this was a dead issue.
>
>Mike
Yes,good point. I should have stated the magic word "ALLEGED".
I have NOT been to Dulce, and admitedly haven't seen much in the way
of HARD evidence...so this "story" is to be considered RUMOUR...
However.... :^_)
You mean that you haven't read the HOLY GRAIL according to William Milton
Cooper on this?? Gee..I thought *everything* he writes is the GOD's honest
absolute truth.
This means that someone has purposefully deceived me and I am now royally
pissed (sulking)
I guess your gonna force me to reveal the TRUTH about the Dulce complex
as written in "Behold a Pale Horse" and in "Matrix II"
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
BTW...WHO is Allen Benz??
Also...isn't it rather strange that we haven't heard from T.S. Bennett
in over a year, and his *last* publicly stated destination was to the
"alleged" Dulce Complex??
Of course, his latest protege' on Fido UFO was known as "Fire Storm".
That is, until Jym threw him off :-)
Regards,
Don
Ps..Congrats to Don Ecker for his comments on "Hard Copy" , that was a good
piece.
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From: john@qip.UUCP (John Moore)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Crop Circles in Tennessee - John Komar/MUFON
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In article <2916@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
]>Could someone please explain to me what 'crop circles' are?
]>
]>Laura.
]
]There are at least three known forms of "crop circle".
]
]The third knowm form, and the one the UFO cultists worship, is a circular
]whorl of downed crop. This is caused by vortex winds, IE dust devils, or
]mini-tornados, or most common, microbursts. These whorls are most often
]found on the Great Plains, but have appeared most everywhere large temperature
]gradients occur. The impressions are often quite sharp and clear as if some
Microbursts are not vortex winds. They are winds extending radially outward
from where rapidly falling air hits the ground. They would not result in
crop circles - they have no rotation, and decay slowly with distance.
Tornadoes are uncommon in England (where crop circles are most common),
because the meteorological conditions
are not right for them. I don't know about the prevalence of dust
devils, but normally dust devils occur over a relatively hot area,
such as a parking lot or dirt area, rather than the cool of a
crop field. Also, vortex winds do not show sharp boundaries, except
at the vortex itself. The inflow winds have a gradual increase in
velocity as conservation of momentum forces the velocity to increase.
I don't see how these will cause the sharp boundaries reported
for the "mysterious" crop circles. Finally, crop circles are alleged
to appear overnight, when vortex winds are least likely, since at
night one has stable air.
I would like to hear what results have come from serious professional
or amateur researchers. I have never seen a crop circle (they don't seem
to appear here in the Arizona desert :-), but am interested in
accounts of them.
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From: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Crop Circles in Tennessee - John Komar/MUFON
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In article <1991Jun1.123902.28117@maths.tcd.ie> lcleland@maths.tcd.ie (Laura Cleland) writes:
>>Case 2: A crop circle, approximately 24 feet in diameter, with
>>crop stalks bent over in now what is known as the 'classic'
>>position of stalks which have not been broken or bent over by
>>'human hands', but rather formed into the position.
>
>Could someone please explain to me what 'crop circles' are?
>
>Laura.
There are at least three known forms of "crop circle".
The most common is caused by fungus attack. The circle grows as the fungus
colony expands in geometric progression from a point infection source.
This causes a stunting and discoloration of the crop, usually a cereal grain.
The second known form is caused by hydrological changes in the ground beneath
the field. Often this indicates an incipient sink hole. This sharp, and usually
circular drop in the water table causes the crop to be stunted and discolored.
The third knowm form, and the one the UFO cultists worship, is a circular
whorl of downed crop. This is caused by vortex winds, IE dust devils, or
mini-tornados, or most common, microbursts. These whorls are most often
found on the Great Plains, but have appeared most everywhere large temperature
gradients occur. The impressions are often quite sharp and clear as if some
large spinning object had set down there. Anyone who has observed vortex winds
is familiar with the "bouncing" that the vortex does in it's formative stages.
It will touch down briefly then leave contact with the earth, often leaving
behind a circular mark. Green crop stalks will usually not break under such
pressure, instead they will try to continue to grow in the distorted position.
The higher pressure developed by a full fledged tornado will cause the stalks
to be broken or uprooted and the cause is then obvious.
Gary
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From: olson@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Olson)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Crop Circles in Tennessee - John Komar/MUFON
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In-Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP's message of 2 Jun 91 13:16:34 GMT
In article <2916@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
> The third knowm form, and the one the UFO cultists worship, is a circular
> whorl of downed crop. This is caused by vortex winds, IE dust devils, or
> mini-tornados, or most common, microbursts. These whorls are most often
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> found on the Great Plains, but have appeared most everywhere large temperature
> gradients occur. The impressions are often quite sharp and clear as if some
> large spinning object had set down there. Anyone who has observed vortex winds
> is familiar with the "bouncing" that the vortex does in it's formative stages.
> It will touch down briefly then leave contact with the earth, often leaving
> behind a circular mark. Green crop stalks will usually not break under such
> pressure, instead they will try to continue to grow in the distorted position.
> The higher pressure developed by a full fledged tornado will cause the stalks
> to be broken or uprooted and the cause is then obvious.
> Gary
I am ... skeptical.
A microburst could indeed produce an impressive circular structure in
a grain field, but ...
- The pattern would be a few kilometers across. I am not enough of a
meteorologist to tell you whether nano-bursts are possible.
- The stalks would be bent outwards in a radial pattern.
- The pattern would not be perfectly circular.
- There would not be a super sharp edges to the patterns.
- There would be a *very* noticable correlation with convective activity
(summer thunderstorms).
- England is one of the last places one you would expect to get a lot a
microbursts. Orlando FL. gets 2 orders of magnitude more microbursts
than Sacramento CA.
I'm not going to claim that the crop circles wern't produced by some
type of meteorological event. But they aren't caused by the types
of events currently known as "microbursts."
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
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Subject: UFO Conferences
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I thought I would post a list of the UFO Conferences I know are coming
up and see if anybody could add to it.
The ones I know about definately are :-
Rocky Mountain UFO Conference, Laramie, Wyoming, USA
Thursday 27th June to Saturday 29th June 1991
Mutual UFO Network Conference, Chicago, Illonis, USA
Saturday 6th July to Monday 8th July 1991
6th International UFO Congress, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Friday 16th August to Sunday 18th August 1991
Also I believe SOBEPS are arranging a conference in Brussels, Belgium
around the 6th October 1991, can anyone confirm and add details? Has
anybody heard if AIRUPP in Spain are holding another conference this year?
I went to their meeting in El Vendrell (near Barcelona, Spain) last
October which I thought was pretty good (can post a report if there
is interest).
Anybody heard about a cornfield circles conference in Germany in June/July?
I understand that several of the books published last year in England
on the subject have been picked up by German publishers. I heard that
one of the publishers is or was co-sponsoring a conference on the
subject, but veto'd some of the other speakers. I do not know the
name of the publisher, but the rumour I heard was that they appear to
have veto'd the people supporting the meterological explanation. Guess
whatever book they are publishing doesn't stand up too well to questioning.
So much for free speech, I suppose. Any more details known by anybody??
Anybody attending any of the above conferences??
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From: MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter)
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Subject: Re: probe
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In article <91154.123354MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Norman St. John Polevaulter
<MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>In article <1991Jun02.092738.26464@demon.co.uk>, printf@cix.compulink.co.uk n
>(Ia
>Stirling) says:
>>
>>>Also, in case you missed it, last night on Monday night's "Hard
>>>Copy" was a piece done on Dr Marina Popovich, a former officer in
>>>the Russian Air Force and Cosmonaut in the Russian Space Program who
>>>told of a mysterious dis-appeaance of one of two probes sent to sent
>>>back data on Mars. I believe this happenned in 1988-89. The probe
>>>sent back it's LAST picture of a shadow being cast against Phobos,
>>>that was calculated at 25 kilometeres long and 3 kilometeres wide in
>>>the shape of a cigar, before the probe went.....poof! and I mean as
>>>in GONE!
As a matter of fact, I just did a little research myself. The Phobos 2
probe was lost in March, 1989. The antenna had been switched off,
as is usual with that sort of probe when it is not transmitting (they
have a very weak power supply.) But when the signal was sent from Earth
for the antenna to be switched back on, nothing happened. The Soviet
controllers managed to activate a secondary antenna and get some garbled
telemetry data from it; the probe was tumbling, apparently, so the primary
antenna couldn't be gotten at. 17 days later the secondary antenna died
too. After working out the telemetry, the technicians decided computer
failure must have been responsible. As far as I could find, no mysterious
"shadows" (or mysterious anything) in evidence at all.
It IS fun to speculate about the reasons behind the loss of the two Phobos
probes, but sadly, it seems that computer problems were behind both of them.
(The first one was due to a mis-typed command from the ground that sent
Phobos 1 into an unrecoverable test mode, actually. what fun...)
BTW, my primary source was _Science_ September 8, 1989, if you want to
check it.
[Your blood pressure just went up.]
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From: grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
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In article <1991May31.215411.19074@nntp-server.caltech.edu> carl@hamlet.caltech.edu writes:
>In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes...
>> ParaNet has received information that Richard C. Hoagland,
>>the noted author of The Monuments of Mars - a book detailing a
>>possible surface anomaly on the planet,
>
>Hoagland is noted mainly for being a zealot who's rediscovered the fact that if
>you take enough random data, you'll be able to find a correlation with
>something in it. I've been able to spot SEVERAL humanoid faces in the
>acoustical tile on my ceiling.
Actually, Hoagland didn't rediscover anything. The first viewing of
the "Face" was while the assembled "horde" waited for the photos to
come back from Mars to JPL. When the shot with the "Face" was put on
screen, the assembled scientists and journalists were a bit stunned.
You could have heard a pin drop during the few seconds that it took
for some bright scientist at JPL to quip "amazing what light and
shadows will do."
It was thought for a long time that the anomaly seen on Cydonia was
only seen in that one photo -- not so. There was at least one more
photo of that same region which also showed the same "Face." Both of
the photos where taken when the sun was in a different position -- but
both photos reveal the same structure.
Hoagland was not the one to discover the second photo. He had been at
JPL taht day when the "Face" was seen for the first time. He followed
the lead of the scientist who poo-poo'd the photo by also ignoring the
"Face" for a number of years afterwards. However, two men, whose
names escape me at the moment, got a copy of the tape from NASA and
began developing photos. It was during this time that the "Face" and
all of the other anomalies of Cydonia were "rediscovered."
Hoagland got involved sometime later and has been the leading
proponent of returning to Mars to study these objects -- if not in
person than certainly with a better camera system.
BTW, I have a copy of the original NASA photo showing the "Face." It
is rather grainy, but I simply don't see how you can miss the "Face."
It is nothing like the Kermit face that someone said they saw on Mars,
nor is it anything like the face in the moon. This thing is so
distinct that it will capture your attention immediately.
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In article <1991Jun3.205520.9344@dg-rtp.dg.com> grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes:
>It was thought for a long time that the anomaly seen on Cydonia was
>only seen in that one photo -- not so. There was at least one more
>photo of that same region which also showed the same "Face." Both of
>the photos where taken when the sun was in a different position -- but
>both photos reveal the same structure.
>
Both photos were taken when the sun was in a SLIGHTLY different position,
however there are also photos with the sun in RADICALLY different positions,
such as illuminating the opposite side. These photos, although a lower
resolution, clearly show a plateau that looks NOTHING like a face. Farther,
in the photos that DO look like a face, the shadows cast by the plateau
imply a shape very different from that of a face.
> [Hoagland did not discover either photo of the "face"]
No, he did not. But if you look at his book, he has discovered MANY examples
of random features NEAR the plateau. He suggests that the shape and
position of these features also imply construction by intelligent beings.
For example, there is a feature which has some apparent geometric pattern,
which (if I recall correctly) he refers to as "city-like". He farther notes
that there is a cliff face arranged so that, from the "city-like" feature,
the "face" is seen in profile, framed by the cliff. He emphasizes that this
arrangement is significant. However, if you work out the details carefully,
this cliff is BELOW THE HORIZON when viewed from the city-like feature.
Even if you believe that such a convienent arrangement MUST be the result
of intelligence, this case CAN NOT be such a case (since the ACTUAL
arrangement is NOT as significant as it looks at first glance.)
Frank Crary
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In article <1991Jun3.205520.9344@dg-rtp.dg.com> grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes:
=In article <1991May31.215411.19074@nntp-server.caltech.edu> carl@hamlet.caltech.edu writes:
=>In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes...
=>Hoagland is noted mainly for being a zealot who's rediscovered the fact that if
=>you take enough random data, you'll be able to find a correlation with
=>something in it. I've been able to spot SEVERAL humanoid faces in the
=>acoustical tile on my ceiling.
=
=Actually, Hoagland didn't rediscover anything. The first viewing of
=the "Face" was while the assembled "horde" waited for the photos to
=come back from Mars to JPL. When the shot with the "Face" was put on
=screen, the assembled scientists and journalists were a bit stunned.
=You could have heard a pin drop during the few seconds that it took
=for some bright scientist at JPL to quip "amazing what light and
=shadows will do."
=
=BTW, I have a copy of the original NASA photo showing the "Face." It
=is rather grainy, but I simply don't see how you can miss the "Face."
=It is nothing like the Kermit face that someone said they saw on Mars,
=nor is it anything like the face in the moon. This thing is so
=distinct that it will capture your attention immediately.
I have a GIF of the 2 frames of the "face" including these 2 frames
which have been processed by Loren Carpenter (formerly of PIXAR). I
have included a couple of his comments regarding these pictures and
will be happy to email the GIF picture to anyone who wants it. Loren's
comments are below.
From Loren Carpenter;
>"A few years ago when I was with Lucasfilm, I was asked by Mr. Hoagland
>and associates if I would participate in the "Mars Project". This was
>to be an informal group of technically capable people who could tinker
>around with the "face" and "city" pictures in their spare time. Work
>being what it was, my spare time evaporated and I drifted away from the group.
>"Both images in this posting are >100x100 excerpts from 35A72 and 70A13
>respectively.
>"The data is exactly as I received it. It's pretty noisy and there is an
>obnoxious riseau mark in one of the images. Most of the noise appears to
>be caused by "broken bits", i.e. 1 (or maybe 2) bits toggled somewhere
>in the pixel. I wrote a smart median filter and it cleaned them up fairly
>well.
>"I haven't done anything serious with these images, so please don't flood me
>with questions. Personally, I think it's just a pile of dirt.
--
Tim Richardson
Technical Network Products, Inc. "techNET"
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Subject: INFO: Lunar Transient Phenomena - Paranet File
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The following text comes from the ParaNet UFO echo. I'm posting
it to the NET as it seems to be interesting. NOTE to cross-posted
groups..BEFORE you flame me, how about keeping an OPEN MIND?
As I do NOT have alot of time available to pursue follow-ups
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With all of the speculation about alien bases on the moon
and strange phenomena being seen occurring around the moon,
ParaNet did some research on this and found some very interesting
artilces pertaining to this phenomena known as Lunar Transient
Phenomena. Although it is far from being proof that aliens have
set up bases on the moon, it does provide for some interesting
reading. During our search, we found a NASA publication titled
"Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events." This is
contained in NASA Technical Report R-277, published in July,
1968. This document details Lunar Transient Phenomena dating
back to 1540. We will provide this document in another file, but
for now, we did find an article that details the scientific
communities concern now over this strange phenomena.
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Reprinted from Sky & Telescope Magazine, March, 1991.
LUNAR TRANSIENT PHENOMENA
by Winifred Sawtell Cameron, La Ranchita de la Luna, 200 Rojo
Drive, Sedona, Arizona
On January 24, 1956 amateur lunar observer R. Houghton was
drawing the crater Liebig on the edge of Mare Humorum when
something bright flashed in the field of his 7-inch telescope.
The flare came from the nearby crater Cavendish, which was just
emerging from the lunar night. Closer inspection revealed that a
peak on the crater's eastern wall was repeatedly flashing.
Houghton called astronomer Brian Warner and told him what to
look for. Warner too saw the flashes and called them "so
conspicuous that they were seen immediately." The other peaks in
the vicinity remained normal.
On the night of November 2-3, 1958, Soviet astronomer
Nikolai A. Kozyrev witnessed a strange phenomenon while making
spectrograms of the crater Alphonsus with the Crimean
Astrophysical Observatory's 50-inch reflector. As he watched
through the telescope's guiding eyepiece, he saw the crater's
central peak blur and turn an unusual reddish color. The
spectrograms confirmed his visual impressions of a volcanic
event; they showed an emission spectrum of carbon vapor (S&T:
February, 1959, page 184).
On July 19, 1969, the Apollo 11 command module had just
achieved orbit around the Moon when the Mission Control Center in
Houston, Texas, received word that amateur astronomers reported
transient phenomena in the vicinity of the crater Aristarchus.
Asked to check out the situation, astronaut Neil Armstrong looked
out his window toward the earthlit region and observed an "area
that is considerably more illuminated than the surrounding area.
It just has -- seems to have a slight amount of fluorescence to
it." Although he wasn't sure, Armstrong believed the region was
Aristarchus.
Accounts of lunar transient phenomena (LTP'S) are not new.
Over the past 30 years, I have collected close to 2,000
observations dating from as far back as 557 A.D. Most are visual
reports of bright spots, flashes, hazes, and curious temporary
colorations of the lunar soil. Reputable observers such as
William Herschel, Wilhelm Struve, and E. E. Barnard have seen
them. Some LTP's have even been photographed, as well as recorded
polarimetrically, photometrically, and spectroscopically. Yet,
despite a profusion of observations and six Apollo missions to
the Moon, the nature of LTP's remains elusive and their origin an
enigma.
About 200 of some 30,000 lunar features visible in
telescopes have been recorded as LTP sources. Half have shown
activity only once. Of the remainder, a mere dozen features
contribute three-fourths of all reports. One area, Aristarchus-
Herodotus-Schroters Valley, is responsible for fully one-third of
the total number sighted.
Most LTP activity occurs along the edges of the maria, near
volcanic features, like domes, sinuous rilles, and craters with
dark halos or floors. But these regions, like the rest of the
Moon, have long been considered geologically dead. Circular maria
are large, primordial impact basins that were filled with lava
about 3 billion years ago. There is evidence, however, that
volcanism has occurred in some craters that are perhaps only a
million years old. Could the bright flashes, hazes, and colors
reported at these sites be proof that the Moon is still active?
THOUGHTS ON THE ORIGIN OF LTP'S
Possible explanations for LTP's are not lacking. One of the
earliest proposals was made by Jack Green of Douglas Advanced
Research Laboratories in Huntington Beach, California. While
studying the standing levels of water and oil in deep wells, he
found that the levels varied in concert with the Moon's
anomalistic month (27.55 days, from perigee to perigee), as if
the strength of the Moon's tidal force affected the tiny cracks
in the bedrock through which oil and water move. Based on this
idea, he suggested that LTP's are degassing phenomena brought
about by the Earth's tidal effects on the Moon. Maximum
degassing, he believed, would occur at the Moon's most eccentric
apogees and a minimum at the least eccentric perigees. After
analyzing 1,200 observations, however, I could not find such a
relationship.
Some LTP phenomena may be caused by sunlight interacting
with the lunar soil. On October 30, 1963, James Greenacre and
Edward Barr observed red spots sparkling on the southwest wall of
the crater Aristarchus, the east wall of Schroter's Valley, and a
hill between them (S&T: December, 1963, page 316). The phenomena
was observed visually by others and recorded spectroscopically as
well. At the same lunar phase a month later, Greenacre and Barr
saw a similar event. Since sunrise on these features occurs when
the Moon is about 11 days old, Greenacre thought that the low
lunar Sun was somehow responsible. Indeed, thermoluminesence mat
be the cause. Gases in the lunar soil, frozen during the night,
could heat up and escape near sunrise.
Could high-energy solar particles impacting the Moon also
trigger LTP activity? Shortly after a large flare erupted on the
Sun in 1963, Zdenek Kopal and Thomas Rackham at Pic du Midi
Observatory in southern France photographed a local brightening
around the craters Copernicus, Kepler, and Aristarchus. Kopal
proposed that energetic particles from the flare caused lunar
rocks to fluorescence. Such activity might be expected especially
at full phase when the Moon passes through the Earth's
magnetosphere, where solar wind particles become trapped.
ANALYSIS
LTP sightings fall into five categories: brightenings,
darkenings, reddish colorations, bluish colorations, and
obscurations. When plotted against the lunar anomalistic month,
the data show that LTP activity peaks somewhat when the Moon is
moving from apogee to perigee, especially about halfway between
these points when the Moon is approaching Earth the most rapidly.
When the Moon is opposite that point in its orbit, LTP activity
is at a deep minimum. Since tidal stressed build from lunar
apogee to perigee, one might expect such a pattern.
When LTP phenomena are plotted against the Moon's phases, it
appears that the most phenomena occur around the time of full
Moon (though LTP's have been observed throughout the lunar
cycle). Also, more are seen near the sunrise line than the
sunset line, though that might be simply because far more people
observe the waxing Moon in the evening than the waning Moon after
midnight. Gaseous phenomena and anomalistic brightenings seem to
peak when the Moon is a waxing crescent.
ARE THEY REAL?
Some astronomers dismiss all LTP's as either aberrational
effects in Earth's atmosphere, changes in lunar lighting
conditions, or outright illusions. Such skepticism, however,
flies in the face of those who have devoted decades to
familiarizing themselves with the Moon, and who very well know
these common observational effects. * LTP's are localized
phenomena. They are regions or features that experience change
while the rest of the Moon remains normal.
No doubt some apparent LTP's are caused by atmospheric
effects. One is the "ashen glow." Here, sunlight scattered by
Earth's clouds is cast onto the Moon's night surface, resulting
in LTP's that simply reflect changes in the level of
illumination. Another pseudo-LTP concerns bright features
fringed with blue (north) and red (south) seen against dark
backgrounds. These probably are aberrational effects, namely
atmospheric dispersion near the observer, perhaps enhanced by a
lingering temperature inversion.
Sightings of a starlike point on the Moon may also be
disregarded as an LTP. This is the only transient phenomenon I
have ever observed myself. But I suspect it is merely a
reflection effect from flat facets on areas of large rocky
outcrops when the Sun and observer are at just the correct
angles. (High magnifications spread the light into an area
instead of a point.)
Even if we eliminate the three types of non-LTP's discussed
here, that still leaves more than 40 percent of the reports
unexplained.
There is evidence that the remaining LTP's are of lunar
origin. a substantial number of sightings were independently
confirmed. Professional astronomers have recorded them on film
and spectrograms, as well as with photoelectric photometers and
polarization equipment. Experiments on the Apollo missions
detected trace outgassings of the radioactive elements radon an
polonium, suggesting that more substantial amounts of commoner
substances were released at the same time. One experiment
possibly detected water vapor during the largest moonquake on
record (Richter 4). the epicenter of that quake was near or in
the large, fractured crater Gauss north of Mare Crisium. To me,
this is the one lunar feature that looks as if it had been
covered with a thin crust of glass subsequently shattered by an
impact.
While in lunar orbit, Harrison Schmitt of Apollo 17
witnessed a flash near the crater Grimaldi west of Oceanus
Procellarum. Since he was dark adapted, it's possible he saw a
cosmic-ray flash within his own eyeball. But it's also possible
he saw a lunar event. In the past, Grimaldi had been responsible
for more than a dozen reports of flashes. The crater Plato near
Mare Imbrium is another source of flashes. Although many craters
responsible for LTP sightings have central peaks with summit
craters, Plato has none.
So the Moon may not be such a cold, lifeless neighbor after
all. It still breathes through the action of LTP's, which in my
opinion are probably gentle outgassings of less-than-volcanic
proportions. Whatever they are, thanks to the LTP's, the Moon
remains a curious place.
--The author directs the lunar transient phenomena section of the
Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers.
SOME POSSIBLE CAUSES OF LTP's
--The following is a condensation of remarks by J. Hedley
Robinson in the December, 1986, Journal of the British
Astronomical Association.
At least 11 possible causes of lunar transient phenomena
(LTP's) have been discussed. As a stimulus to further
discussion, it may be helpful to summarize and comment on these.
1. Tidal. There is a greater stress by the Earth when the
Moon is at perigee than at other parts of its orbit. The tidal
pull may release strains in the crust and permit the release of
trapped gases. The tidal effect of Earth on the Moon is 32.5
times greater than the effect of the Moon on the Earth.
2. Albedo changes due to dust movement. There is
essentially no atmosphere on the Moon to raise dust, so this does
not seem likely as an explanation.
3. Thermal shock. The lunar surface temperature varies
from 125 degrees to -80 degrees Celsius during a two-hour period
at both sunrise and sunset, and most LTP's occur within three
days of local sunrise or sunset. LTP's could be related to the
fact that dissimilar materials expand and contract at differing
rates. Although the maria heat and cool more rapidly than other
parts of the Moon's surface, at a depth of just 10 cm the rock
temperature is constant. Thermal conditions may be regarded as
incidental to LTP's rather than the main cause.
4. Magnetic. Solar plasma bombards the lunar surface, even
when the Moon is in the Earth's magnetic tail, and the movement
of the Moon in and out of the magnetic tail changes the field
strength. But charged particles penetrate the lunar surface to
only one-third the depth reached by the Sun's thermal rays. If
thermal shock is considered to be insufficient to cause LTP
phenomena, then the much weaker electromagnetic effect below the
surface must also be discounted.
5. Ultraviolet radiation from the Sun might cause
fluorescence at visible wavelengths, because there is virtually
no atmosphere to shield the lunar surface. I doubt that the
effect is strong enough to produce visible reactions as bright,
or as large, as the usual LTP's.
6. Solar-wind plasma impacting the surface could produce an
electric discharge, but I doubt that the energy involved is great
enough to cause an effect visible from Earth.
LTP's could, however, be caused by the explosion of
chemically reactive molecules and free radicals in small hollows;
and solar wind plasma may produce such reactive molecules in
rocks. But solar-wind plasma hardly looks like a prime cause.
7. Spectral diffraction from surface grains or
irregularities too small for telescopic resolution may cause
color. The lunar surface presents many angels to the observer,
and these vary with libration in both latitude and longitude as
well as with diurnal libration. With the varying lunar surface
slopes, many simultaneous diffraction angles should be presented.
But if this were the cause of LTP's, the effects should show all
over the disk from time to time, whereas they in fact show local
preferences.
8. Meteor strikes. These have been claimed frequently.
One of the best observed was reported by the Smithsonian
Institution near the Apollo 14 site on May 13, 1972, when a
meteor impact released an energy equal to that of 1,000 tons of
TNT. But meteor strikes cover only a small area on the lunar
surface when compared to the size of LTP's.
9. Moonquakes are often deep seated but very weak, with a
preference for times of perigee or apogee. There seems to be no
obvious connection between the frequency of moonquakes and
sightings of LTP phenomena.
10. False color is a regular feature in larger telescopes
due to terrestrial atmospheric conditions. This can be guarded
against by comparing a suspected LTP event with the appearance of
other formations on the lunar surface at the same time, and is
well recognized by practiced observers.
11. The piezoelectric effect is well known on Earth, for
example when rock strain generates a strong electric field that
ionizes the air above the rock, causing a glow. The field moves
with the strain source. There are Soviet reports that the
magnetic field drops suddenly when underground tension is
released.
Conclusion. The foregoing indicates courses that our
thinking and research might follow. I am of the opinion that
tidal strain or thermal shock causing outgassing and producing a
piezoelectric effect might be the most plausible explanation.
J. Hedley Robinson
Helmington, 21 Inverteign Dr.
Teignmouth, Devon TQ14 9AF
England
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